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		<title>By: katy</title>
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		<dc:creator>katy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, I did not. I&#039;ve not read much about brining beef -- just poultry and maybe a pork roast?

I would think that salting it beforehand would negate they &quot;dry&quot; part of the aging process, since it would bring moisture to the surface. Perhaps you could age it, then brine? Although that might be doing the same thing. Worth checking into more -- it seems like brining poultry and aging beef have similar results: tenderizing and adding flavor -- but not sure why one process is chosen over another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, I did not. I&#8217;ve not read much about brining beef &#8212; just poultry and maybe a pork roast?</p>
<p>I would think that salting it beforehand would negate they &#8220;dry&#8221; part of the aging process, since it would bring moisture to the surface. Perhaps you could age it, then brine? Although that might be doing the same thing. Worth checking into more &#8212; it seems like brining poultry and aging beef have similar results: tenderizing and adding flavor &#8212; but not sure why one process is chosen over another.</p>
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		<title>By: SK</title>
		<link>http://katymcarter.com/2010/02/dealing-with-a-skinny-steer/comment-page-1/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator>SK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This intrigues me...hope to try it soon. 

So did you salt or brine it before you dried it? I&#039;ve seen where Cook&#039;s does a heavy kosher salting with the idea that juices get drawn up to the surface by the salt, dissolving the salt, and then taking salt and juice back down into the center of the meat. But they had the meat covered and only let it sit for 24 hours. Any thoughts as to how salting and/or seasoning on the front-end would affect this process for the better or worse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This intrigues me&#8230;hope to try it soon. </p>
<p>So did you salt or brine it before you dried it? I&#8217;ve seen where Cook&#8217;s does a heavy kosher salting with the idea that juices get drawn up to the surface by the salt, dissolving the salt, and then taking salt and juice back down into the center of the meat. But they had the meat covered and only let it sit for 24 hours. Any thoughts as to how salting and/or seasoning on the front-end would affect this process for the better or worse?</p>
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		<title>By: katy</title>
		<link>http://katymcarter.com/2010/02/dealing-with-a-skinny-steer/comment-page-1/#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator>katy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carrie, those are great points.

I did know that at least one of the processors aged the whole carcass before it was processed (interestingly -- I know it was the processor of the fattier beef! -- I&#039;ll have to check on the other farm). What I didn&#039;t know was whether that meant the meat was &quot;aged&quot; to a maximum. I also don&#039;t know how one type of cut would compare to itself aged and not-aged, and it&#039;s worth a future taste test. We have a limited number of roasts from each cow (since we&#039;re splitting with other families) so it might take waiting for our next one.

We do plan to do a blind test with steaks!  We will probably grill them when the weather gets warmer, have the other cow-sharing families over, and do a full-on multiple-person blind test. Fun times -- and I&#039;ll surely post the results.

The burgers -- in our experience with leaner beef, we just didn&#039;t like them (and you&#039;re right -- it has more to do with it being less juicy than with flavor or texture). Maybe we just like greasy burgers? That too is worth some testing when grilling weather returns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carrie, those are great points.</p>
<p>I did know that at least one of the processors aged the whole carcass before it was processed (interestingly &#8212; I know it was the processor of the fattier beef! &#8212; I&#8217;ll have to check on the other farm). What I didn&#8217;t know was whether that meant the meat was &#8220;aged&#8221; to a maximum. I also don&#8217;t know how one type of cut would compare to itself aged and not-aged, and it&#8217;s worth a future taste test. We have a limited number of roasts from each cow (since we&#8217;re splitting with other families) so it might take waiting for our next one.</p>
<p>We do plan to do a blind test with steaks!  We will probably grill them when the weather gets warmer, have the other cow-sharing families over, and do a full-on multiple-person blind test. Fun times &#8212; and I&#8217;ll surely post the results.</p>
<p>The burgers &#8212; in our experience with leaner beef, we just didn&#8217;t like them (and you&#8217;re right &#8212; it has more to do with it being less juicy than with flavor or texture). Maybe we just like greasy burgers? That too is worth some testing when grilling weather returns.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Oliver</title>
		<link>http://katymcarter.com/2010/02/dealing-with-a-skinny-steer/comment-page-1/#comment-284</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That grass-fed beef roast sounds pretty delicious. I&#039;m curious whether either of the two beefs you bought were aged by the butcher in the first place. On average, I find that farms/ranches that sell their beef directly tend to have the butcher dry-age the beef for at least 7 days and often more.  Either way, you&#039;re right, aging (whether wet or dry) can definitely have a huge impact on tenderness and flavor. 

I&#039;d be curious to hear how the steaks from the two farms compare (try tasting them blind).  While lean burger meat can be less juicy, one thing that really surprised me a few years back (and ever since) was to discover how marbling/fat has a pretty small impact on  tenderness and also flavor.  On balance, I like nicely marbled beef (esp. nicely marbled grass-fed &amp; finished beef) but I&#039;ve many times preferred the flavor and texture of a leaner steak or burger in blind tastings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That grass-fed beef roast sounds pretty delicious. I&#8217;m curious whether either of the two beefs you bought were aged by the butcher in the first place. On average, I find that farms/ranches that sell their beef directly tend to have the butcher dry-age the beef for at least 7 days and often more.  Either way, you&#8217;re right, aging (whether wet or dry) can definitely have a huge impact on tenderness and flavor. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d be curious to hear how the steaks from the two farms compare (try tasting them blind).  While lean burger meat can be less juicy, one thing that really surprised me a few years back (and ever since) was to discover how marbling/fat has a pretty small impact on  tenderness and also flavor.  On balance, I like nicely marbled beef (esp. nicely marbled grass-fed &amp; finished beef) but I&#8217;ve many times preferred the flavor and texture of a leaner steak or burger in blind tastings.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly the Kitchen Kop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly the Kitchen Kop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Katy,

I&#039;m SOOOOO trying this and adding this post to my grass-fed beef cooking tips post, too.  :)

Thanks for joining in on RFW! 

Kelly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Katy,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m SOOOOO trying this and adding this post to my grass-fed beef cooking tips post, too.  <img src='http://katymcarter.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for joining in on RFW! </p>
<p>Kelly</p>
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		<title>By: katy</title>
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		<dc:creator>katy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca, I don&#039;t even know what wet-aged is -- never heard of it (though I&#039;d heard of dry-aged before this experiment). I&#039;m curious. You should each get a different one, and compare!

Ed -- I think you&#039;re right on the wild game comparison; though I have no experience with such (here&#039;s hoping I get the opportunity sooner rather than later). The meat was processed by USDA-approved facilities chosen by the individual farm. Our 100% grass-fed quarter was from a farm called Skillington; the grain-finished beef was from Fischer Farms. Both are located somewhere outside Indianapolis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca, I don&#8217;t even know what wet-aged is &#8212; never heard of it (though I&#8217;d heard of dry-aged before this experiment). I&#8217;m curious. You should each get a different one, and compare!</p>
<p>Ed &#8212; I think you&#8217;re right on the wild game comparison; though I have no experience with such (here&#8217;s hoping I get the opportunity sooner rather than later). The meat was processed by USDA-approved facilities chosen by the individual farm. Our 100% grass-fed quarter was from a farm called Skillington; the grain-finished beef was from Fischer Farms. Both are located somewhere outside Indianapolis.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Schenk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Schenk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like you neede to treat it like wild game,
Who did the butchering for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you neede to treat it like wild game,<br />
Who did the butchering for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the informative experiment, Katy.

We&#039;re heading to a local brewery for our Valentine&#039;s dinner Sunday evening, and the place boasts steaks with a choice: you can opt for either wet-aged or dry-aged beef - with a significant price jump; now I understand why. Guess which I&#039;ll be going for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the informative experiment, Katy.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re heading to a local brewery for our Valentine&#8217;s dinner Sunday evening, and the place boasts steaks with a choice: you can opt for either wet-aged or dry-aged beef &#8211; with a significant price jump; now I understand why. Guess which I&#8217;ll be going for?</p>
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